No thats not what I said. Its not even what I was getting at. Someone said he wasn't that important, I just prooved he was, and still is. Thank You.
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Z24 FReQ (Jarett) wrote:I do believe that Jesus Christ isn't the savior. but that's for another thread some other time.
Heres the start of it and it kind of snow balled from there.
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saying he is not the savior is no where NEAR coming close to saying he wasnt a dominant figure in history.
i think you MAY have gotten a little too defensive and thought people were saying he was not important.
when in fact importance or prominence were not being discussed but rather the validity of divine powers/savior etc...
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Oh no Nat I was just joining in the arguement that you all started about JC after I left thats all. I'm not bent out of shape or anything man that would be silly this is just teh internet and besides we can argue and dis-agree till we're both blue in the face and it wouldn't matter. You know why? Cause we're both right and both wrong at the same time, its a matter of faith and belief so neither of us are right nor wrong.
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I never said he wasn't a dominant figure in history. fact states that he was a professor of the Jewish faith, and married The Magdalaine to unite the two Jewish Houses and rise up against the Holy Roman Empire. He was a freedom fighter, a religious figure, and a political one as well.
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I meant that he was a savior for the Jews, not for all of mankind.
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Jackalope wrote:If Jesus was not who he said to have been then why is he the single most important person in history ? In the 2000 or so years since his death who else before him or after him has changed the world we live in so much ?
Santa Claus
Made Christmas into the commercialistic hellhole that it is today (course the after-Xmas sales are worth it...)
I'll have another post in a while after I catch up wth the rest of the thread reading Keeper's...
Something I have to add to keep things up in this debate...please don't take offense because I think this is a likely possibility...
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Keeper, thats great !
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
while that cartoon is awesome it is historically incorrect.
the begining of man was far further than 5,00 years ago.
that would place the creation of the human species as soon as 3,000bce. but history shows that primitive civilizations were forming as far back as 7,000bce which would be 9,000 years ago.
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Which is why those who insist the bibles version of an actual time line from Adam to Abaham and so on is silly ! Ok fine lets say for example when that was writen it was 100% correct in its math. What has happened to the years since its writeing ? I mean if for example Adam was born lets say at year zero for arguements sake and time keeping began then and there ok thats plausable. But heres where the problem comes into play. If that record of who begot whom was only kept up untill 2000 years from that point and they stopped keeping track 10,000 years ago then that does not mean the Earth is only 2000 years old ! It simple means this is a record of who came when up untill we stopped writeing it down. To actualy think the Earth is only "X" amount of years old is also silly. Try to follow my thinking here, If God is infinet and has always been and always will be then who in the world can we know how long a "day " actualy is for him ?
Just because the Bible says the Earth was created in 6 days and on the 7 th he rested may be 100% correct. Buuuut how long is a "God day " 24 hours ? 10,000 years ?
Remember time means nothing at all to him so if it took him a whole day and time is meaningless I take that "day "to be awefully damn long !
Discuss.
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Jackalope wrote:Which is why those who insist the bibles version of an actual time line from Adam to Abaham and so on is silly !
If God is infinet and has always been and always will be then who in the world can we know how long a "day " actualy is for him ?
Just because the Bible says the Earth was created in 6 days and on the 7 th he rested may be 100% correct. Buuuut how long is a "God day " 24 hours ? 10,000 years ?
Remember time means nothing at all to him so if it took him a whole day and time is meaningless I take that "day "to be awefully damn long !
Discuss.
This goes back to my earlier post about using the Bible to discuss God.
John wrote:The basis for most religions is communicated through hermeneutic strategy. Rather than just say "Do this, don't do that", they wrote stories to communicate what happens when people act or think a certain way. These stories were written by people, with the education of the time. If the birth of Christ happened today, the story would read "There was no room at the Ramada, so they had to spend the night at the homeless shelter on 55th and Broadway". Jesus wouldn't have been born in a manger, it would have been on a dirty cot next to the soup kitchen. The three wisemen would have brought travelers checks, a cell phone and a laptop computer with a wi-fi connection. Judas would have sold out Jesus for a new BMW. Jesus wouldn't have been crucified, he would have been given the electric chair by Judge Pontius Pilot. Imagine wearing a small chair on your necklace...
The stories aren't meant to be taken literally, they are lessons to teach acceptable social behavior. Science can disprove every chapter in the Bible and it still doesn't disprove the existance of God.
If God created everything in 6 days, what about the time before the earth was created? A "day" is a unit of time we've named to represent 1 revolution of the earth. At the time the Bible was written, they didn't know the earth revolved so they wrote based on what they believed to be true.
At the time of the writing of the Bible, humans believed the earth was the center of the universe, and the sun and stars revolved around us. When you consider the education of the time, everything makes perfect sense.
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Keeper, assuming the multiple-reality theory to be true, god would know which path one would take, just laying out all the others in a "taunting" fashion. The christian god would know which demise one would encounter, as well as acceptance or rejection, therefore still creating a soul to be damned for eternity.
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I don't have much to offer to this thread. But I'd like people to keep in mind that EVERY world conflict; every war, every terrorist act has been a result of differing religious beliefs.
Ya except for the war in Iraq............No brains of intelligence under here.............ahhaha Especially so sharpshooters like Cheney can make money with their empires of deceit and lies.
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I don't have much to offer to this thread. But I'd like people to keep in mind that EVERY world conflict; every war, every terrorist act has been a result of differing religious beliefs.
This is a major misconception and is also 100% incorrect. First off, a good percentage of wars where between different factions who share a common religion. Religion is just one of the MANY slight or major differences used to start a conflict. What about race, nationality, "noble birth right,"(or any internal power struggle), political and/or ideology differences(not being religion based - for example the American Civil War), etc, etc, etc?! Go find a history of all the wars or conflicts in recorded history(you will have a BIG list), and tell me the percentage that are even supposedly religion based. You WILL be surprised.
The real case of ALL wars can be summed up nicely like this - Humanity = @!#$
Even if we had no religions and never did, I doubt we would have had even 1 fewer war. Religion is just one of the many excuses made to go to war. The human race is and always has been extremely barbaric. Even if we lose all religions, then we WILL find another excuse just as (or even more) absurd.
Really though, religious differences (and all reasons we create to go to war) are simply the puppet causes given to the ignorant masses to conceal the real reason -
POWER(you could argue money and resources but they are both just forms of power anyways). Do you think the Crusades where ever about spreading Christianity back to the "holy lands?" Or was it really about spreading the catholic
power base?! Of course it was about spreading Christianity and "heading God's (supposed) call" to the pawns who where sent to do the dirty work, but not to those who sent them. Even the kings who supported the crusades had something to gain - favoritism with the (very powerful and influential) Catholic Church, which in turn gave them more authority and approval of the ignorant masses.
Blaming religion for causing wars is like blaming guns(aka a TOOL of homicide) for homicides. The real blame must be on the corruption of the leaders who where/are using religion as a tool to go to war. Of course anything can be (and is) made as a tool for war.
Perfect example - Currently we have Iraq in which the administration used peoples fear of terrorism as a *BS premise to go to war(the clear manipulation and selective usage of intelligence is well documented at this point). And like usual (even though the US as a whole is losing tons of money on the war) many people are making TONS and TONS of money on this. "Conveniently" enough, most(if not all) of those people making the money have strong ties with many people in positions of power(not JUST the administration).
Humanity never changes.
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
The Bible makes no claim as to how long the creation story is. It says only that a "day" is a period of light between two dark periods and that six of those periods of light passed during creation. That's it, that's all. It has nothing to do with education at the time. It has nothing to do with what we humans call a "day" here on Earth.
Someday people will stop putting their own ideas in there and just take it for what it's worth. Hopefully.
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well depending on trully what year the "creation" was supposed to happen, the length of time between two dark periods could be shorter than it is today. becuase everyday the earths revolution slows just a BIT.
also, two dark periods could mean the length of time between two solar eclipses.
but then when God was telling this to a human to share with us, the human did not have any concept of a eclipse what it is or how they work, so may have translated that into something that was not meant.
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Exactly ! So the time between two complete solar eclipses could be what was ment.
We have no point of reference so we really can not know. The Earth is old, V E R Y old
just ask anyone who does carbon dating and they'll tell you.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Our problem as humans is that we have try TOO hard to figure things that are best left unknown. And try to stray away from the things we DON'T understand.
