degenerated wrote:Why is crap like this even up for debate?
Is there seriously nothing better to discuss?
Sexual orientation doesn't raise a child. Love and being there does.
OK, have to chime in here with the extremely obvious that might be overlooked...
The person who calls himself a "degenerate" has hit the nail on the head. If a degenerate can arrive at the right answer in 3 sentenses, why are our government officials diddling around with it?
Thanks,SunfireN2O. I've always had a weird sense of humor, glad to see it's appreciated
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Robby002 wrote:NO.
it would be a bad influence and destroy their childhood.
a kid needs both. a Real mom, and a Real Dad.
You don't need a "real" mom and a "real" dad to keep your childhood from being destroyed. And a bad influence? Where are you getting these ideas? Having a good childhood and growing up to be a charitable member of society requires only love and support. Be it from a man, woman, a man and a woman, two men, or two women, it doesn't matter. If a child is loved and cared for then there is a great chance they will grow up to be decent human beings. There are always exceptions to this of course, but all it takes is love and support to raise a child.
Then we have this great line.
Robby002 wrote:
and about gay,
Gay couples would have to explain their child why they want to be gay.
its not, "we are gay and that's the end of it"
I don't even understand why people turn gay. I don't have anything against gay people. Gay people are wonderful. I just don't understand if people turn gay or they were born that way.
So gay couples have to explain why they "want" to be gay? Remind me when the last time someone wanted to be gay? I'm pretty sure that if you were to ask a gay person why they wanted to be gay they would respond with something along the lines of having no desire to be gay and ridiculed by society but ultimately it is who they are. Being gay is a not a choice or a desire. You don't just wake up one morning and go, "Hey. I think I'll try being gay for a while." Homosexuality is caused by a mishap during gestation. It is hardwired into their brains. Yes, ultimately it is their choice to either follow societal norms or to act on their basic instinct, but the fact remains they don't get to choose to be gay.
I say yes.
People have given the argument that the kids will grow up with differentbeliefs and ideals, but if this were the reason, then people of different ethnicities and religions should not be able to adopt.
Just let it go, I'm sorry if it offends you, but it's NOT A BIG DEAL. I'd prefer a kid had gay parents to not having anyone at all.
Oh, I forgot. Kids need loving homes. Therefore if a gay couple wants to adopt a child, they should be encouraged to do so. Foster homes and that whole system is ridiculous and ultimately treats children like crap. Just let them adopt the damn kids and stop preaching about how the kids will grow up gay or to be horrible people. You're wrong and need to stop talking nonsense.
Tristan wrote:
So gay couples have to explain why they "want" to be gay? Remind me when the last time someone wanted to be gay? I'm pretty sure that if you were to ask a gay person why they wanted to be gay they would respond with something along the lines of having no desire to be gay and ridiculed by society but ultimately it is who they are. Being gay is a not a choice or a desire. You don't just wake up one morning and go, "Hey. I think I'll try being gay for a while." Homosexuality is caused by a mishap during gestation. It is hardwired into their brains. Yes, ultimately it is their choice to either follow societal norms or to act on their basic instinct, but the fact remains they don't get to choose to be gay.
I would never consider my lifestyle a "mishap" -- It is both a blessing and a curse.
I would never want to be a straight female. So if I could change it all tomorrow just to make a few things in life easier for me, I assure you I wouldn't. In the face of adversity we will rise to the occasion and stand strong, we aren't going anywhere and we won't be ignored or treated like second class citizens because of whom we choose to lay in bed with, thats for @!#$ sure. right now, with this president I'm surprised there aren't any "straights only" bathrooms yet. This prick should be worried about getting our troops home safe not trying to change the constitution because of his
personal beliefs and fears. he just wants the country to look the other way while he's doing his dirty business. how can anyone trust a guy that claims god tells him to do things? seriously now, thats what a murderer says after he kills a school bus full of kids.
I'm happy to see so many of you have a positive outlook on gay adoption, I certainly appreciate it.
The haters - you have a right to your opinion, and although it's founded on ignorance and completely absurd, I don't dislike you for it. ones lack of education and worldly experience is punishment enough, enjoy your mundane existence in your safety bubble with your small minded one way thinking.
what I mean to say is -
with a side of fries.
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SiZZy OUT!
Well good it would seem that most people can see why a gay couple should be able to adopt so this is for the ones that don't.
Would you rather a child have to go to bed hugry, if they have a bed at all, or be in a in harms way or should they just have to live in an orphanage for the rest of their lives till they hit 18 and get thrown out on the streets then be given to a couple of men or women who would rather be with someone of the same sex ?
Honestly, what do you think happens ? That gays would make the kid watch them have sex ? Or to somehow waive a gay wand and in doing so make the kid gay too ?
There are so so many unloved, unwanted children in the world that why the hell shouldn't someone who would love them and raise them be able to do so ?
Please explain WHY exactly, other then your own prejudices, should gays not be allowed to adopt ?
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
yes
love and good parenting raises a child. not sexual orentation.
i just think this country has better things to do with its time and money then to ban gay marriage or ban gay couples from adopting
Im a Xbox 360 fanboy...and damn proud of it!!
Sizzy how do you really feel about this ? sometimes you beat around the bush so that its hard to know what you actualy mean.
jk of course.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
Jackalope wrote:
Or to somehow waive a gay wand and in doing so make the kid gay too ?
Oh no!!!! Not the GAY WAND!!!! (are you trying to say something Jack?
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Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
Robby002 wrote:
and about gay,
Gay couples would have to explain their child why they want to be gay.
its not, "we are gay and that's the end of it"
I don't even understand why people turn gay. I don't have anything against gay people. Gay people are wonderful. I just don't understand if people turn gay or they were born that way.
What an ignorant @!#$ you are.
Why are you straight? you better explain that to your kids..
When did you 'turn' straight by the way?
SunfireN2o( theAnGrYCnSrvTve) wrote:Lol, I opened a can of worms in that other thread.........
I dont think a Gay couple should be able to go get a baby from somewhere and adopt it, the child had no say in a "regular" (i just use regular for lack of better words) family. But I suppose a older child it wouldnt be so bad, once they understand that their "parents" are gay.
This is a hard topic though.
So you choose NO parents over parents that love you.
good choice... wait, and you want to make this choice for other people??? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!H!H!~!!!!!
A question for those who say gay couples shouldn't be able to adopt...
Should a heterosexual couple be allowed to adopt if they are perverts? Would you deny adoption if they were into S&M or other fetishes? Where would you draw the line, does a couple that regularly does anal get a child while the couple who use a leash and a stun-gun in the bedroom get turned down?
If your basis for not allowing gay couples to adopt is religeous, then even a couple who use condoms aren't acceptable to adopt according to the last Pope.
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Jackalope wrote:
Or to somehow waive a gay wand and in doing so make the kid gay too ?
Oh no!!!! Not the GAY WAND!!!! (are you trying to say something Jack? )
Only for you there my little maple syrup covered sweetie only for you.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
I'm a little concerned that the response to "they'd have to explain to their kids" is "do straight people have to explain to their kids?" Well, no they don't but that is becasue it is the norm. If you child was born purple, you'd have top explain that too.
I have no problem with any loving couple with the means and the motive to love and care for a child adopting. It doesn't matter if they are gay, straight or whatever BUT let's not pretend that there won't be any social issues.
There are always challenges and for gay people part of that cha;llenge would be explaining that they are different from the norm. That doesn't make it a bad thing, but it is a real thing. People in the community will talk, fellow students will hear rumours. People are generally not nice at all when it comes to people that are different and that would have to be dealt with.
I see it as similar to explaining to your kids that you are not as wealthy as some of their friends, or any other issue that may come up during childhood. Kids don't understand this kind of thing at all when they are young, but as they grow up they will begin to ask questions. Gay couples will have a couple more things to deal with than the average parent, but again, that is not a bad thing, just a different thing.
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^ ^ ^ ^ Very good point.
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wait, and you want to make this choice for other people???
Do you think im a politician???
As a colliary tio Hahaha:
It's also the same as explaining to your kids why you go to church and some don't, or whay you don't go to church and some do.
As long as you are not demonizing the other choices or forching your kids inot a lifestyle that they do not want to have (read: forching them to be straight, gay, a political party, or a religion), then i don't have a problem as long as you're a loving parent.
To wit: if my son turned out to be gay, aligned with a lolitical party strongly, or a hardcore religious person i would not say they were wrog for doing so--i would say they are wrong if based on their choice they tried to force others into their choice or decried those who didn't as somehow less than human.
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John Wilken wrote:Should a heterosexual couple be allowed to adopt if they are perverts? Would you deny adoption if they were into S&M or other fetishes? Where would you draw the line, does a couple that regularly does anal get a child while the couple who use a leash and a stun-gun in the bedroom get turned down?
Other than the obvious stuff (kiddie porn, bigamy and beating the child), I'm of the opinion that what 2 consenting adults do behind their closed bedroom doors is none of anyone else's business.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
I'm straight because I was born straight.
Man does not turn me on.
and when did I turn straight? are you saying I was gay and now I'm straight?
I never turned straight. I was born that way.
OMG! that really offended me
I asked 6 of my co-workers if gay is a choice or by birth
3 said choice
2 said birth
1 said both
I know for a FACT that not everyone knows the real truth about gay.
Maybe Schools should teach kids about gays and lesbians, but how would parents react?
many religious people see gay as a sin and not a birth defect because the bible talks about Adam and Eve.
Now,
If gay people were born gay they should be allowed to get married, and adopt a homeless child.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:
Other than the obvious stuff (kiddie porn, bigamy and beating the child), I'm of the opinion that what 2 consenting adults do behind their closed bedroom doors is none of anyone else's business.
ding ding ding we have a winner
Robby002 wrote:I'm straight because I was born straight.
Man does not turn me on.
and when did I turn straight? are you saying I was gay and now I'm straight?
I never turned straight. I was born that way.
OMG! that really offended me
Congratulations on your straightness.. I think...
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I asked 6 of my co-workers if gay is a choice or by birth
3 said choice
2 said birth
1 said both
I know for a FACT that not everyone knows the real truth about gay.
Gay is not a condition, homosexuality is.
I'll tell you this: If you can't use the term properly, you can count yourself as one of the people that doesn't know the truth about homosexuality, because you haven't bothered to learn at all about it.
There are a couple schools of thought on why people become homosexual, some say in utero or pubescent brain chemistry, some say genetic aberration, some say choice, some say upbringing. Considering that people that make it their business to know and learn about these things can't come to a consensus, I think I can forgive 6 people you work with for not knowing the facts.
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Maybe Schools should teach kids about gays and lesbians, but how would parents react?
many religious people see gay as a sin and not a birth defect because the bible talks about Adam and Eve.
Now,
If gay people were born gay they should be allowed to get married, and adopt a homeless child.
I think that sex ed is doing just fine as it stands... kids learn about their bodies, and that's not a bad thing. As for behaviours, that's usually best left for college. *Thnks Chef!*
Seriously speaking, most adults are learning only now that homosexuals are not ravenous deviants hellbent on taking your kids for a ride... I figure one step at a time. At some point a homosexual couple will arouse about as much ire as an icecream truck out of neopolitan.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
^^^only if the ice cream truck has "Güd Hyoomir" written in spraypaint on the side...
I look at homosexuality like i do on religion, it's something inherent to what you are, but it's not somthing i can ethically try to change in you if i don't practice the same way you do. so, I leave you alone on the off chance hat you'll leave me alone.
Simple, concise, and *actually* works if people give it a shot.
Really, there's only 2 people on this planet who's orgasms i care about--Mine, and my g/f's. The rest of you, i can care less who you get of with, what you say when you get off, where you get off, when you get off, why you get off in the way you do, and how you feel after you get off.
And i'm sure you all feel the same about me. if not, wrry about your own sex life, because you're neglecting it spending too much time prepondering mine.
(enough whitespace for you, GAM, or do you need more?
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Sex ed in school is to teach reproduction NOT who are you attracted to, or how to use a strap on properly or the proper tecnique for lubing your boyfriend up for a reaming. No matter how hard they may try or how many differnt times they do it a couple of homosexuals will never get pregnant. For that you need a man and a woman and this is what sex ed in schools is for.
Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.
^^^and yet in my sex ed class, they hit on what oral and anal sex was.
yet those aren't used for reproduction, in fact, many hetero couples consider it foreplay, which ANY woman will tell you is an integral part of sex.
It doesn't take someone with the mental genious of Stephen Hawking to figure out that if so inclined--be it cuiriosity or sexual drive, that one can perform the aforementioned acts on someone of the same gender.
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Jackalope wrote:Sex ed in school is to teach reproduction NOT who are you attracted to, or how to use a strap on properly or the proper tecnique for lubing your boyfriend up for a reaming. No matter how hard they may try or how many differnt times they do it a couple of homosexuals will never get pregnant. For that you need a man and a woman and this is what sex ed in schools is for.
They also teach STD prevention, which is an important topic for all humans. My kids were shown pics what some STD's do if left alone. Ever seen how bad a liver looks when attacked by ghonneria? It's motivation to wear protection...
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