Luke wrote:[quote=Keeper of the Light™]I understand your point of it being a "'freak' of nature". Behavioral abberation might have been a better term for it. However, is it truly a freak happenstance, or perhaps a biological/population throttling mechanism? Either way, leave these people alone.
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homosexuals are gay
I think that's all that needs to be said about that 
Please dont misinterpret my point of view as my behavior towards all homosexuals, I have family members who are gay/lesbian.
And the "freak of nature" term does have a negative connotation. But it was used only to describe a trait in someone/something as not as nature intended it by design. Nature/god made males and females, the round peg fits in the round hole so to speak(pun intended). 2 round pegs dont go together just as 2 round holes dont go together(as much as many would argue on the latter lol)
If it isnt an oddity of nature, but rather a population control mechanism, I ask what is better. To be an oddity of nature or a means of human population reduction. Of course if niether is the case then homosexuality is a cognitive choice, which is a whole different ball of wax.
my question i'll ask you is how do you know what nature intended? your just making assumptions to what is supposed to be correct.
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mikec2003 wrote:Personally I like homosexual men, they take two guys out of the competition for picking up women
Tht's exactly how I feel. Been saying for a long time now - the more guys that "choose"(yeah right) to be gay, the more women for me.
StrippedCav98 (Now Quotable) wrote:btw i support gay marriage if both chicks are hot
Damm skippy!! But lesbianism between hot chicks is a mortal sin - if there is no camera involved.
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Freek of nature is a harsh thing to say. I agree that its not natural and the easiest way to prove its not is to take a group of gay men and put them on an island and come back in 150 years and see how thier civilization is doing. Same can be said with gay women.
Life is ment to procreate and if you choose to take yourself out of the gene pool thats cool but don't expect me to believe its natural or normal.
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Jack: it happens... it's not as if gays choose to be gay... it's like choosing your hair or eye colour. That seems to be pretty much organic.... which is natural.
Keeper: BASTAGE!!! Just don't ratchet up the prices on it.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Jack: it happens... it's not as if gays choose to be gay... it's like choosing your hair or eye colour. That seems to be pretty much organic.... which is natural.
Keeper: BASTAGE!!! Just don't ratchet up the prices on it.
unfortunately gam, people are too @!#$ ignorant to realize that 99% of the time it's NOT a choice
Tracer Bullet wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Jack: it happens... it's not as if gays choose to be gay... it's like choosing your hair or eye colour. That seems to be pretty much organic.... which is natural.
Keeper: BASTAGE!!! Just don't ratchet up the prices on it.
unfortunately gam, people are too @!#$ ignorant to realize that 99% of the time it's NOT a choice
That is true. I guess people can't help it if they are born with a birth defect. And before you flame me for saying that the most recent studies have found that gay peoples brains are more like that of the oposit sex. So if your a gay man then you were basicly born with a female wired brain. And for gay women they were born with a male wired brain. So in a sence it is a birth defect which makes it not the norm.
I could care less who anyone wants to sleep with but I'm sorry its not what scientists nor doctors label normal. Thats not to say its bad or good rather just not the norm.
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Jackalope wrote:Tracer Bullet wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Jack: it happens... it's not as if gays choose to be gay... it's like choosing your hair or eye colour. That seems to be pretty much organic.... which is natural.
Keeper: BASTAGE!!! Just don't ratchet up the prices on it.
unfortunately gam, people are too @!#$ ignorant to realize that 99% of the time it's NOT a choice
That is true. I guess people can't help it if they are born with a birth defect. And before you flame me for saying that the most recent studies have found that gay peoples brains are more like that of the oposit sex. So if your a gay man then you were basicly born with a female wired brain. And for gay women they were born with a male wired brain. So in a sence it is a birth defect which makes it not the norm.
I could care less who anyone wants to sleep with but I'm sorry its not what scientists nor doctors label normal. Thats not to say its bad or good rather just not the norm.
and i guess your birth defect would be your intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
Tracer Bullet wrote:and i guess your birth defect would be your intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
Homosexuality is nothing new its been around for thousands of years. The world has just grown more excepting of it. I never said I had anything against gay people at all, A very good friend of mine of whom died of AIDS he contracted from his gay lover is missed daily. He was a good man, true he was a gay man but that didn't make him any less a man. I have nothing against anyone I was mearly re-telling the findings of scientific and doctoral studies. Don't label me a hater as I am most certainly not. But you can't label homosexuality as the norm either. Sorry.
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Jackalope wrote:Tracer Bullet wrote:and i guess your birth defect would be your intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
Homosexuality is nothing new its been around for thousands of years. The world has just grown more excepting of it. I never said I had anything against gay people at all, A very good friend of mine of whom died of AIDS he contracted from his gay lover is missed daily. He was a good man, true he was a gay man but that didn't make him any less a man. I have nothing against anyone I was mearly re-telling the findings of scientific and doctoral studies. Don't label me a hater as I am most certainly not. But you can't label homosexuality as the norm either. Sorry.
yeah thats what i was getting at. The world has become more accepting of it, and rather than label people freaks of nature, not normal, wrong, etc etc, we should just let it go. Its as stupid or even moreso than discriminating people because they have different skin, or hair, or they are irish, or jewish. People cannot help certain aspects of their make-up. Who gives a @!#$ if its not the "norm". What is nowadays?
Just curious Tracer, do you say the same about pedafiles? Everything you said applies to them also, it's been around for thousands of years, they can't help themselves and it's not the "norm". is being against a 30 year old having sex with a 12 year old intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
Tracer Bullet wrote:Jackalope wrote:Tracer Bullet wrote:and i guess your birth defect would be your intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
Homosexuality is nothing new its been around for thousands of years. The world has just grown more excepting of it. I never said I had anything against gay people at all, A very good friend of mine of whom died of AIDS he contracted from his gay lover is missed daily. He was a good man, true he was a gay man but that didn't make him any less a man. I have nothing against anyone I was mearly re-telling the findings of scientific and doctoral studies. Don't label me a hater as I am most certainly not. But you can't label homosexuality as the norm either. Sorry.
yeah thats what i was getting at. The world has become more accepting of it, and rather than label people freaks of nature, not normal, wrong, etc etc, we should just let it go. Its as stupid or even moreso than discriminating people because they have different skin, or hair, or they are irish, or jewish. People cannot help certain aspects of their make-up. Who gives a @!#$ if its not the "norm". What is nowadays?
Whats the norm? Thats easy, a man and a woman. If you were born or chose to be gay its not normal, but thats NOT saying its wrong either. I NEVER called them freeks or talked down about them, its not thier fault if they are attracted to a certain type of person but no its still not normal.
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Eric Esler wrote:Just curious Tracer, do you say the same about pedafiles? Everything you said applies to them also, it's been around for thousands of years, they can't help themselves and it's not the "norm". is being against a 30 year old having sex with a 12 year old intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
I despise people trying to relate these two situations. A pedafile takes advantage of young boys/girls. It's not a relationship the child chooses to take part in, and if they do it is only due to the pedafile taking advantage of them mentally. Gay men and women choose to partake in gay/lesbian relationships. Pedafiles are condemned and not considered the "norm" is because of the need to protect the rights of children. Children can't decide that they want to sleep with a 30 year old pedafile. Stop being so ignorant to try to lump homosexuals and pedafiles in the same group. Even as subtly as you've tried to do so, it's pretty evident and quite sickening.
hey sometimes the kid likes it.
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Tristan wrote:Eric Esler wrote:Just curious Tracer, do you say the same about pedafiles? Everything you said applies to them also, it's been around for thousands of years, they can't help themselves and it's not the "norm". is being against a 30 year old having sex with a 12 year old intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
I despise people trying to relate these two situations. A pedafile takes advantage of young boys/girls. It's not a relationship the child chooses to take part in, and if they do it is only due to the pedafile taking advantage of them mentally. Gay men and women choose to partake in gay/lesbian relationships. Pedafiles are condemned and not considered the "norm" is because of the need to protect the rights of children. Children can't decide that they want to sleep with a 30 year old pedafile. Stop being so ignorant to try to lump homosexuals and pedafiles in the same group. Even as subtly as you've tried to do so, it's pretty evident and quite sickening.
I'm not sure what a pedafile is, but a pedophile likes to fondle children.
As a side note, I think it's rather harsh to call me a freak because I like to munch carpet on ocassion.
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That is true. I guess people can't help it if they are born with a birth defect. And before you flame me for saying that the most recent studies have found that gay peoples brains are more like that of the oposit sex. So if your a gay man then you were basicly born with a female wired brain. And for gay women they were born with a male wired brain. So in a sence it is a birth defect which makes it not the norm.
I could care less who anyone wants to sleep with but I'm sorry its not what scientists nor doctors label normal. Thats not to say its bad or good rather just not the norm.
Jack: which scientists? There is no consensus among the gay community as to whether it's nature/nuture/choice issue, the scientific community is not AS divided, but again, on either side of the divide, NO ONE but those that are ill-informed about the science and choice issues calls it a defect. There are bull-dykes, and flaming gays, and there are homosexuals that pass for heterosexual in behaviour... there's heterosexuals that could be mistaken for others.
It's like calling Black skin a defect... or big noses... or bad teeth birth defects. Their brain chemistry is slightly different than other people's and that's about it... the only difference is you can't "re-wire" the brain but they can deny their nature to their emotional and even physical detriment... it happens with people with organic depression. The wording that I've seen is that their brain chemistry resembles the opposite sex, but if you look at it that way, *I* resemble Minute Bol, I have a head, 2 arms, 2 legs, basically all the same organs, but because of a minor genetic difference, I'm about a foot-15" shorter than he is, white, and have straight hair.
There is no such thing as an ideal human, and there is no way to say (at least credibly) that there is a "problem or defect" that needs to be corrected with a homosexual's brain.
The "Norm" is only what is popular, and being "Productive" is irrelevant when there are 6 billion people on earth.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
Alexis wrote:Tristan wrote:Eric Esler wrote:Just curious Tracer, do you say the same about pedafiles? Everything you said applies to them also, it's been around for thousands of years, they can't help themselves and it's not the "norm". is being against a 30 year old having sex with a 12 year old intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
I despise people trying to relate these two situations. A pedafile takes advantage of young boys/girls. It's not a relationship the child chooses to take part in, and if they do it is only due to the pedafile taking advantage of them mentally. Gay men and women choose to partake in gay/lesbian relationships. Pedafiles are condemned and not considered the "norm" is because of the need to protect the rights of children. Children can't decide that they want to sleep with a 30 year old pedafile. Stop being so ignorant to try to lump homosexuals and pedafiles in the same group. Even as subtly as you've tried to do so, it's pretty evident and quite sickening.
I'm not sure what a pedafile is, but a pedophile likes to fondle children.
As a side note, I think it's rather harsh to call me a freak because I like to munch carpet on ocassion.
It's late, leave my spelling errors alone you FREAK!!!!
Eric Esler wrote:Just curious Tracer, do you say the same about pedafiles? Everything you said applies to them also, it's been around for thousands of years, they can't help themselves and it's not the "norm". is being against a 30 year old having sex with a 12 year old intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
this doesnt even make sense since you cannot even compare the two
Alexis wrote:Tristan wrote:Eric Esler wrote:Just curious Tracer, do you say the same about pedafiles? Everything you said applies to them also, it's been around for thousands of years, they can't help themselves and it's not the "norm". is being against a 30 year old having sex with a 12 year old intolerance and blindness to accept an ever-changing social stage?
I despise people trying to relate these two situations. A pedafile takes advantage of young boys/girls. It's not a relationship the child chooses to take part in, and if they do it is only due to the pedafile taking advantage of them mentally. Gay men and women choose to partake in gay/lesbian relationships. Pedafiles are condemned and not considered the "norm" is because of the need to protect the rights of children. Children can't decide that they want to sleep with a 30 year old pedafile. Stop being so ignorant to try to lump homosexuals and pedafiles in the same group. Even as subtly as you've tried to do so, it's pretty evident and quite sickening.
I'm not sure what a pedafile is, but a pedophile likes to fondle children.
As a side note, I think it's rather harsh to call me a freak because I like to munch carpet on ocassion.
That's greaaaat. yeah.... thanks for the happy thought Alexis
Eric Eisler:
The difference between Pedophiles and Homosexuals is 2 fold:
- Mental defect,
- Consent of the victim.
This is one case where the root of the problem is a mental hygiene issue, and not an organic abberation. Pedophile's brains are typically within norms for most heterosexuals (even if they prefer homosexual molestation).
The other difference is one of consent: Most of the time Gay men aren't interested in raping another man. They get consent to sex. The people that engage in predatory molestation are not interested in gaining consent, because they either are mentally ill enough to not care about it (or believe they're doing good by their victim), or they get off on the power and corrupting a child.
Homosexuals are regular people with the exception of who they choose to knock boots with,
Pedophiles are malicious predators.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
EVERYONE is gay, it's jsut to what extent.
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Luke wrote:Wether you are religious: A God created Man and Woman as compliments. Two different beings purpose made to be together, bear children and continue the human race.
Or not religious: In nature there are two ways of reproduction Sexual and Asexual. Asexual meaning an organism has no determining sex and reproduces by means like binary fission where a single cell organism splits. We all know humans are not single cell organisms. The other means is sexual reproduction, where two organisims of the same specie are made to reproduce together. Natures makes a male and female organism for the human species. A male and female are designed to meet, attract each other, and mate to create offspring. Homosexuals do not do this. If not by a cognitive choice during their lives then at birth. If that is the case they are freaks of nature.
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I would like to make some corrections:
"Wether you are religious: A God created Man and Woman as compliments. Two different beings purpose made to be together, bear children and continue the human race.
religious (continued): In nature there are two ways of reproduction Sexual and Asexual. Asexual meaning an organism has no determining sex and reproduces by means like binary fission where a single cell organism splits. We all know humans are not single cell organisms. The other means is sexual reproduction, where two organisims of the same specie are
made to reproduce together. Natures makes a male and female organism for the human species. A male and female are
designed to meet, attract each other, and mate to create offspring. Homosexuals do not do this. If not by a cognitive choice during their lives then at birth. If that is the case they are freaks of nature."
Or not religious: People are a result of billions of years of things happening the way they happened and not because they were supposed to. A person's choice to be with another person of the same sex has nothing to do with what is right or wrong for people, but rather what is right or wong for that person based on their own opinion. It all boils down to atraction. The debate of gay versus straight falls along the same lines as forced induction versus natural asperation or four cylinder versus eight cylinder. The things that happen to you from the moment of conception form your personality and ultimately the likelyhood of making certain decisions as opposed to others, like being gay and driving an N/A Camaro as opposed to being straight with a turbo Sunbird. The reason it is deamed right to be straight is because the majority of people feel that way. The reason the majority of people feel that way is because that is how they were brought up and that is what their parents believed and their grandparents believed dating back to earliest records of people. Also dating back to the earliest records of people is homosexuality and the same records show that it was punishable by death. The same basic morals from 400BC (stealing, killing and butt sex = bad; god, giving (not head) and pretty things = good) have remained in action.
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Ok, this just needs to be said. I am one of these so-called freaks of nature. I am also a human. I also am Roman Catholic. Some of this might not mix well, but this is the reason I can say that I am proud of who/what I am. The majority of posts were from those opposed to the nasty way of it being said. I say, call me what you want. If that makes me a freak of nature, than so be it. Trust me, not a day goes by that I don't wish it couldn't be different. I dream all day of having a girlfriend, but this will never happen. I didn't become this way to make anyone upset or feel uncomfortable. Maybe its nice that I will not add to the surplus population and maybe I do remove a little competition for others and quite possibly yes I can give advice to straight men. It doesn't matter in the long run does it? I am not one to be afraid of. Its the prejudice and intolerance of those who would otherwise be normal people that I am afraid of. If you want to hate people that don't conform to your way of thinking and life, you are no better than a terrorist. I do not stand on either side of pro-life or pro-choice. I actually do not care what way the whole gay marriage goes because I know I am different from the norm. I don't care what religion anyone is because we all have the right to have whatever one we want. Who am I to judge? I am not allowed to judge, I AM AN AMERICAN!
How come these conversations always ignore bisexuals? What about them? How do you view them in this born-this-way or religious arguments?
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