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God is Good
Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:34 PM on j-body.org
God is good. He is such a force in the lives of those who seek Him. I''m so excited to be going on a mission trip this next upcoming weekend, there's nothing like a humble appreciation after coming back from a third world country to know that God blesses those who bless Him. I know I can't give a good heart felt testimony or I'll get banned again, but God is love, and His Word is His promise to the things that happen today and are to happen in the future. Belief isn't a weakness, but the flesh can be played with as Satan's tool in sin and idol chatter. What can be weaker? Having a relationship with God is spiritually empowering with an eternal hope. The Son God sent is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Jesus Christ! Peace to all and God BLess!

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Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 5:22 AM on j-body.org
That's nice to know.

Why is this in the war forum?
Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 7:22 AM on j-body.org
Why do bad things happen to good people?


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Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 7:52 AM on j-body.org
Glace (GP) wrote:Why do bad things happen to good people?


There is no real physical evidence that we can use to explan this. However there are theories and example that we can give that can give you an insight as to why bad things might happen to good people.

First of all, if you assume that God has anything to do with this, then I will use His stories as points of reference to answer this question. God is not responsible for evill and suffering, humans are. Adam and Eve set our fate as soon as they ate for the forbidden tree.

Second, we as human as free will, we have the ability to make our own decisions, and thus we can be the result of our own suffereing. Yes I believe that God knows everything, including everything that's going to happen. But His knowing doesn't in anyway limit or cause us to change or decisions.

Third, there are somethings that we would never know or feel if we didn't suffer frist. An example of this is love, we all, most likey, sometime in our lifes have been in love and have lost it. No doubt, that hurts, and it causes suffering. But I'd be willing to bet that more than 90% of us would admitt that we are better people and are better able to handle it the next time it comes around. Again, sometimes the best and/or only way to get us to see things is to put us through suffering frist, to rob us of that, would be robbing us of a greater good



Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 8:47 AM on j-body.org
jbody4jc wrote:God is good. He is such a force in the lives of those who seek Him. I''m so excited to be going on a mission trip this next upcoming weekend, there's nothing like a humble appreciation after coming back from a third world country to know that God blesses those who bless Him. I know I can't give a good heart felt testimony or I'll get banned again, but God is love, and His Word is His promise to the things that happen today and are to happen in the future. Belief isn't a weakness, but the flesh can be played with as Satan's tool in sin and idol chatter. What can be weaker? Having a relationship with God is spiritually empowering with an eternal hope. The Son God sent is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, Jesus Christ! Peace to all and God BLess!

ps your local bible thumper.


This phrase really bothers me. Third world country or not does not mean that they do not believe in "A" God. With that specific statement you are saying becasue there is extreme poverty in the world and they cannot get much better than what they already are would indicate to me that "GOD" does not look after all, only ones with some semblance of an income and that does not live anywhere else but industrialized nations.

Those people in the 3rd world countries do the best they can and do not need people to tell them if they beleive in God then things will be better, they need money and supplies given to help them be better people. God does not nessecarily do these things for people.

Belief is not weakness per se. I am finding that people who preach and make thier love of God known are the ones who do not love thierselves.

If you beleive in yourself and your ablilites that you have honed you do not need to believe in an omnipotent being that may or may not be really there. You know that you are in charge of the decisions you make and thier repercussions.

I am glad that you feel happy that you believe in the things you believe in, but you do not have to be religous to help the world, and if it is not in a religious frame of mind you are going to 3rd world countries then it would not be called a mission, it would be called goodwill.
Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 8:51 AM on j-body.org
I have to repost as I cannot find the edit button I am having an apparent moment here.

I stated that they need money and supplies to make them better people, and that came out wrong they need people to provide them supplies to help them grow food and do some bartering with their own food. As a industrialized nation that is run by the all mighty dollar, we need to help these people learn new SKILLS and educate them on the world. Money was just not needed in that sentance for the 3rd world country.
Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 9:43 AM on j-body.org
I fail to see the topic of debate.




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Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 11:40 AM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:I fail to see the topic of debate.



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Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 12:40 PM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:I fail to see the topic of debate.


Im with you..only I don't see the relevance of it in a car forum...especially this particular one "War Forum".

Maybe it was rebuttal to Lenko's post.

But then again maybe Im just a heathen.


Say it with me, "Its not what you know...It's what you can prove"

Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 3:54 PM on j-body.org
Quote:

Belief is not weakness per se. I am finding that people who preach and make thier love of God known are the ones who do not love thierselves.

If you beleive in yourself and your ablilites that you have honed you do not need to believe in an omnipotent being that may or may not be really there. You know that you are in charge of the decisions you make and thier repercussions.

Actually I would think that you would have to beable to believe in yourself on a different level to beable to believe i something that we can't see or touch. Meaning, it's a lot easier to believe and show it, then to just straight up deny it.



Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 4:06 PM on j-body.org

i always thought this was funny:
(said to a non believer) If your right and we die, then nothing happens, If I am right and we die, then your going to hell.

Haterzzz! haha. Nothing more than comical relif so save your time.




Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 5:57 PM on j-body.org
Christian heaven is an idea of what i could conceive as hell...

Meanwhile, what i consider heaven, many christians would conceieve as hell...

So, if there is a God, i'm on the rightr path no matter how you look at it.


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Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 6:20 PM on j-body.org
KOTL..... your wierd.



Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 6:48 PM on j-body.org
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Christian heaven is an idea of what i could conceive as hell...

Meanwhile, what i consider heaven, many christians would conceieve as hell...

That is a very good point keeper. Some people believe that hell isn't actually just a burning fire and brumstone pit. But that the worse part of it is just being away from God, being away from anything good, knowing that you had your whole life to turn to Him and you didn't do it. But then again, as you statement, for people that don't want to be around God anyways, heaven would be their hell.



Re: God is Good
Monday, April 11, 2005 8:28 PM on j-body.org
But if heaven and hell are actually the way that the christian churches say it is, Even people like KOTL will hate themselves for thier choices. As said by the christian churches, hell isnt a place of physical suffering. It is a suffering where one realizes how mindless they were. These people in hell are able to see heaven, and it will be the greatest thing they have ever seen. This causes a mental distress and suffering greater than any suffering any single person has ever indured.

I am not saying this is how heaven and hell are. There might be no heaven and hell. Humans may just die and rot, and thats life. But if the christian churches are right, those who wish for hell, even if they think they would never want heaven and they do want hell, would have a change of mind imediatly upon death. Again this isnt necessarly my view, just a thought for everyone.
Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:40 AM on j-body.org
What about Judaism that has no hell?
What about Hinduism that has reincarnation, and no hell, just demotion of caste?
What about Islam that considers Earth next to hell, and no better?
What about Buddhism that considers life a journey to enlightenment?
What about Pagan religions that consider your body as part of the earth, and your soul (whatever their explanation) as part of the earth as well?
What about String theorists that beilieve our life force (as yet, unquanitfiable) slips to another string vibration at the moment of our death?

I think it's arrogant and hypocritical to assume your religion is the be-all, end-all of the totality of existence?

If we were meant to only believe one thing, why make a game of it?



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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:53 AM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:What about Judaism that has no hell?
What about Hinduism that has reincarnation, and no hell, just demotion of caste?
What about Islam that considers Earth next to hell, and no better?
What about Buddhism that considers life a journey to enlightenment?
What about Pagan religions that consider your body as part of the earth, and your soul (whatever their explanation) as part of the earth as well?
What about String theorists that beilieve our life force (as yet, unquanitfiable) slips to another string vibration at the moment of our death?

I think it's arrogant and hypocritical to assume your religion is the be-all, end-all of the totality of existence?

If we were meant to only believe one thing, why make a game of it?




Well first off, I dont even have a religion as of right now. I simply went to a catholic school for 13 years of my life. One whole year was devoted to learning about other religions and what they believe and feel. During that we had many tasks in which we were to seek out people of those religions to learn that faith, so dont say I have been feed biased info, because I never really believed it anyway. As of right now I consider myself to be agnostic, yet looking for some meaning or answeres. Yet GAM, you accused me of saying that I believe in everything I said. Basically I was putting myself in third person, pretending to be a strong christian and telling you what they believe. And if they are right, and you go to hell, your @!#$. No way around it. Everyone who goes to hell is @!#$. And if you get there you are going to suffer, whether you think you will or not.

Also your post doesnt make much sense, the Jews have gotten to a point where its even hard to consider them christian. Islam is christian but they also dont believe in the cross. So if your going to knock down my post for saying christians believe this but then mention islam, go look at KOTL's post about porn and crosses. We all know what christian faiths I am talking about. I am in no way referencing any which wouldnt have the belief I mentioned. Either you didnt read my post very well or you are just trying to start an off topic arguement.
Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:58 AM on j-body.org
I never accused you of ANYTHING. If you read what I posted (and you quoted) I didn't address it directly at you. As well, I opened the door to the fact that there are other religions that aren't so judgmental, and the fact that no-one alive has dominion on the description of the afterlife... as yet, no-one has come back to complain.

Judaism, Islam and Christianity all spawn from the same groups of people and same incidents in history, they just have different slants on all the ideas:

Islam holds Jesus as a prophet of Allah, but Mohammed (peace be unto him) as the architect of the religion.
Christianity holds Abraham as a prophet, but doesn't recognise him as an apostle (at least IIRC).
Judaism holds Jesus (Yeshua) as a prohpet, and possibly a King (depends, Kabalists differ from orthodox and non-hacedish Jews), yet, Moses was greater as a leader of the faith.

Judaism predates Christianity by at least 3000 years... Paganism (of various threads) by at least 5000, and Hinduism is considered to be at least 8000 years old... Who's to say who is right? Read The Life of Pi by Yann Martel. You want to see the ludicrousness religion, it's an eye opener.



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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:00 AM on j-body.org
Emor8t: Thank you.




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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:03 AM on j-body.org
Keeper: I shudder to think what kind of a strip you'd tear off someone that called you normal, generic or worse, ubiquitous.





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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:30 AM on j-body.org
Two words come to mind:

SPICE WORLD


I believe that torture is banned from the Geneva convention.


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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:08 PM on j-body.org
Gam, Christianity isn't a religion. It is a faith. You are getting it mixed with the rest of Man's set of rules that you call religion. I don't follow men's beliefs, I follow Jesus Christ by faith, "by faith". Catholicism=religion, mormonism=religion, buddism=religion,
atheism=religion, protestant=religion, Islam=religion, judaism=religion, liberalism=
religion, science=religion, hinduism=religion, lutheran=religion, methodist=religion,
baptist=religion, jahova's witness=religion, witchcraft=religion, satanism=religion,
hedonism=religion, humanism=religion, and any ism=religion. There are many religions that may stem from Christianity, but non denominational Christianity is taking the Word from th bible and applying it through faith, that it is true as God's Word. It has nothing to do with mans rules and regulations made up by duties and services which are deed based in replace of having a living personal true relationship with God by faith. Yes you may encounter that kind of truth in other religions, along with works that have been set forth, but those acts come before Jesus, not Jesus first then works when called to.


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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:57 PM on j-body.org
If it involves ritual (of any kind) it is a religion. IE: Going to church is a ritual. If you only tie your shoes one way (left then right for example) that is a ritual.. Almost everything is ritualistic, therefore almost anything can be called a religion. Non-denominational Christians are still ritualistic (and therefore religeous) simply because they go to church. Following in the ways of Christ (the definition of a Christian) is inheritly religeous. Christ practiced many rituals and established a few of his own, you cannot call yourself Christian and also claim to not belong to a religion. Such is the way of things.

Rituals are like habbits that you think about.


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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:58 PM on j-body.org
Nobody ever thought Abraham was an apostle.. He died way too early.


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Re: God is Good
Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:17 PM on j-body.org
There is no possibility of assurance in these other religions. Ask any Hindu, Muslim, or Buddhist if they will achieve nirvana or go to paradise when they die, most of them will say no. Rather, they will refer to the imperfection in their lives as being a barrier to this realization. There is no assurance in their belief systems. Consequently, salvation depends wholly on an individual's working to gain merit.

Even the fundamental concept of God, on which there is a plea that we should agree, reveals wide divergences. To say that we can unite with all who believe in God, regardless of what this God is called, fails to recognize that the term God means nothing apart from the definition given.

Buddha, contrart to popular belief, never claimed to be deity. In fact, he was agnostic about the whole question of whether God even existed. If God existed, the Buddha taught emphatically that he could not help an individual achieve enlightenment. Each person must work this out for himself or herself.

Hindu teaching is pantheistic, "Pan" meaning "all" and "theistic" refers to "God". Hindus believe tha God and the universe are identical. The concept of maya is central to their thinking. Maya is the dualistic perception that the physical world is an illusion: we think we are personal, but we are not. To this philosophy, all thinking and feeling is illusory. Reality is instead spiritual and invisible. Brahma is the ultimate reality, the Universal Soul. Every person, indeed, everything that exists, is Brahman since all is god.

Buddhism also teaches that the material world is an illusion. It is readity apparent why modern science came to birth through Christians, who believed in a personal os and an orderly universe, rather than in the context of Eastern philosophy. This explains why most scienctific progress has come from the West rather than the East. Why would a person investigate what he believes is an illusion?

In Islam and Judaism we have a God much closer to the Christian concept. Here God is personal and transendent (separate from his creation). Surely we are urged, we may get together with those who believe in God in personal terms.
But, as we examine the Muslim concept of God, Allah, we find he is not God and Father of Jesus Christ bet rather a God who is utterly transcendent. Knowledge of Allah comes from the Qur'an, which came through Muhammad. He taught that he was the final prophet of Allah.

The picture of God in the Qur'an us of one who is totally removed from people, one who is capricious in all of his acts, responsible for evil as well as for good, and who is certainly not the God who is "so loved the world that he gave his one and only son.". It is a totally distant concept of God tha makes the idea of the incarnation of Jesus Christ utterly inconceivable to the Muslim. How could their God, so majestic and beyond, have contact with mortal human beings in sin and misery?

Of the great religious leaders of the world, Christ alone claims deity. It really doesn't matter what one thinks of Muhammad, Buddha or Confucis as individuals. Their followers emphasize their teachings. Not so with Christ. He made himself the focal point of his teachings. The central question he put on his listeners was, "Who do you say that I am?" When asked what doing the works of God involved, Jesus replied, "The work of God is this: ti believe in the one he has sent" (John 6:29)

Finally, on the question of who and what God is, the nature of salvation and how it is obtained, it is clear that Christianity differes radically from other world religions. We live in an age in which tolerance is a key word. Tolerance, however must be clearly understood. (Turth, by its very nature, is intolerant of error.) I two plus two is four, the totat at the same time cannot be twenty-three. But one is not regarded as intolerant because he disagrees with this answer and maintains that the only correct answer is four. The same principle applies in religious matters. One must be tolerant of other points or view and respect their right to be held and heard. We cannot, however, be forced in the name of tolerance to agree that all points of view are equally valid, including those that are mutually contradictory.



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