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Well, you say that in one hand, and you're going to vote for a career politician? I'd rather vote for someone that owes no favours.
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He's the best of what's there, there's a fine difference.
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Not necessarily... Lest you forget the way Mulroney slithered out of influence peddling charges in 87.
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Tell the CRAP that. If you spend into defecit territory (as happened in the 80's under the PC's), you have to pay it back, or at least stop from drowning and incurring more bad debt.
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Do you need to be reminded that of the 3 biggest tax increases in Canadian History, only one was under a Liberal Government? Seriously, the GST, and the 1984-91 conservative governments were responsible for a 20% increase in taxes overall. The 7% isn't even refundable once you're over a certain amount! The GST was the epitome of tax and spend... the Conservatives brought it in as a way to finance the stupid amount of debt they were incurring, and they never bothered to slow down the spending.
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You missed the point.... Harper is a Neo-con, just like Bush is a Neo-con, they hold the same values, and have the same views, just like Mulroney and Reagan. And the problem is that the last 3 conservative governments have co incided with a republican Gov't, and that has produced unheard of debt, defecit and decline in Canada's economy, and has reduced our stature in the world's stage to the yes-man for the US. That isn't a role I'm at all comfortable with...
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I don't think we ought to be contrary, but being able to stand on our own with our own voice is imperative.
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Actually, it's not name calling at all... at least... not in spite.
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Buzz Hargrove, the CAW, and CLC have always been staunch NDP backers, but they can see the NDP's influence on the wane... I mean, the NDP lost offical federal party status under Audrey McLaughlan (or was it Alexa Mcdonough?) anyhow... The thing that Hargrove has said that the Conservatives have been making it no small secret that they're anti-union, and anti-labour law. I haven't seen or read that personally, but it doesn't surprise me.
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The NDP won't form a federal Gov't. They're too regionalised, just like the Bloc. Duceppe and Leyton are just as responsible for this government going down as Harper.
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Well, you say that in one hand, and you're going to vote for a career politician? I'd rather vote for someone that owes no favours.
Owes no favors? What are you trying to say here Gam? You can't believe that there is a politician in existance anywhere in the world who doens't owe favors to someone.
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Not necessarily... Lest you forget the way Mulroney slithered out of influence peddling charges in 87.
Are you trying to compare influence peddling charges which to what was found out by Gomery? (I actually laughed when I read that one.)
Quote:You're assuming it won't either, and you're further assuming that they will be elected in the majority.
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Tell the CRAP that. If you spend into defecit territory (as happened in the 80's under the PC's), you have to pay it back, or at least stop from drowning and incurring more bad debt.
You're assuming that as soon as the Tories get into power that they will run right back into the problems that the PC's did, that won't happen. My point all along on this topic has been that there IS money there to work with and that our money hasen't been properly spent or managed. Governments are NOT put into place to make money, they are supposed to take the right amounts of taxes from its people to properly supply us with the services that we need. We deserve it.
Quote:Did you not read the part about the increased personal income Tax exemption? That has to be agreed to by the finance minister, it's not "tax relief" in the sense that it is rescinding taxes, but it's more of your money that will not be taxed. It's the same thing. Followed through on for 12 years, might I add.
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Do you need to be reminded that of the 3 biggest tax increases in Canadian History, only one was under a Liberal Government? Seriously, the GST, and the 1984-91 conservative governments were responsible for a 20% increase in taxes overall. The 7% isn't even refundable once you're over a certain amount! The GST was the epitome of tax and spend... the Conservatives brought it in as a way to finance the stupid amount of debt they were incurring, and they never bothered to slow down the spending.
Do I need to remind you how many times the Liberals have promised tax cuts in the past to the GST to get elected and they havent followed through?
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Again, there is a surplus... we deserve tax cuts, the Liberals were too busy stealing our money and giving it to their buddies to even consider giving us any cuts. Harper will give us one point right out of the gates and another point in the next 5 years. There still hasen't been a real "unbiased" financial analyst who has come forward to knock holes in Harper's plans, the only people who have found problems with it are his competition.. go figure.
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How can you not take offense to what they have done??? As far as I am concerned those involved in this scandal were stealing money from me? That is STEALING my tax dollars and you want the same party back in power...? Explain it to me how you can look past this and still vote Liberal.
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Say I walked into your house when you were sleeping and stole your tv, you caught me, I admitted it. If I said I was sorry, would you leave me a key under the mat so I could possibly do it again, just because I asked nicely?
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I haven't missed this point. We've heard this time and time again by the opposition. "Oh well, if the Tories get in we'll just turn into America Jr." Thats total bs, just because someone shares some of the same values and views of another that doesn't mean that we'll do everything they do. I haven't seen Harper turn into a blubbering idiot, have you? Drawing those conclusions is only an act of desperation.
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I don't think we ought to be contrary, but being able to stand on our own with our own voice is imperative.
Being able to stand on our own with our own voice !!! Yeah, tell me about it, Western Canadians know this better than anyone else. We haven't had a government in power who gives two $hits about what goes on west of Ontario since 1993.
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Standing on our own is empowering US and having the opportunities made available to us to make our lives better if we so choose to take advantage of those opportunities. There is no other party running who will give us more opportunity than the Tories. Prime example... western Canada, we cannot find enough people for the jobs.
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Actually, it's not name calling at all... at least... not in spite.
You used it in that context, I know where it came from.
Quote:Harper's word is worth about the same when a US company decides to shut down a union shop and send it south... Thanks Mr. Mulroney.
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Buzz Hargrove, the CAW, and CLC have always been staunch NDP backers, but they can see the NDP's influence on the wane... I mean, the NDP lost offical federal party status under Audrey McLaughlan (or was it Alexa Mcdonough?) anyhow... The thing that Hargrove has said that the Conservatives have been making it no small secret that they're anti-union, and anti-labour law. I haven't seen or read that personally, but it doesn't surprise me.
Hargroves word is worth about... well pretty much nothing, he already proved that. I haven't seen or read anything regarding this either.
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Why would you try to align Hargrove more with the NDP than the Liberals??? He said what he said while standing next to and supporting Mr Martin in a Strathory, Ont., restaurant while he was endorsing local Liberal candidates. Obviously he was sharing the general views of the Liberal government and he slipped up bigtime.
Quote:I'm sure there were a lot of people saying that in 1984 too.
Of course I have grand ideas... we have been waiting for this for 13 years even if you can't see it now, its the best thing that can happen for Canada.
Quote:They were the swing vote, not a power broker... I doubt that they'll have stonger appeal this time around.
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The NDP won't form a federal Gov't. They're too regionalised, just like the Bloc. Duceppe and Leyton are just as responsible for this government going down as Harper.
I didn't say they'd form a federal Gov't, I said that they could end up being the power broker.
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What I can say, without equivocation, is that I hope we don't have this discussion again in 18 months.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:I hope Mr Harper doesn't get too comfortable on the right side of the legislature... We're going to have this little exercise in another couple months, my Magic 8-ball's sources are never wrong.
yaaay