Personally..... and here's my take on it.

Chrstians have a contradiction for everything.

Love thy neighbor.... unless he's gay

oh but then you have love the sinner hate the sin...

but devout christians like to throw the word "wicked" and "evil" around.... hmm what happened to the love?


Nothing against christians. I've read the bible several times along with parts of the Quran, the tao te ching, some wiccan books, and the book of mormon.

I don't judge people on what they believe. I judge them on how strong they believe it and what they are willing to sacrifice for those beliefs, and how they fought for it all. That shows character.

Everyone has their own path, you can show them the path all you want but when it comes down to the punch, they have to walk it. You can't force them to. Apparently most of the major religions don't understand this part. And I know in their minds they want to save people.... but still, it's our paths to walk. let us walk.

I never say much on here but im tired of anyone that believes in anything good being ripped apart buy a certain few folk .I know this is the war forum,but the man made a statement of his faith and you all knowing gods of yourselves tear him apart.It is a fact that jesus was a real man,faith in him is what keeps us beleiving in him and what hes done and going to do.If you live a godless life without faith in anything but your holy self then thats what you choose and leave it at that.You guys gang up on everyone like a bunch of COWARDS,yes i said cowards.You guys should find something to do with your time besides jump christians.Theyre are alot of contradictive people who call theirselves christians and stand for nothing christian.A true christian has love and respect for everyone GAY or not,we have too or we couldnt call ourselves christian.We have to love equally but we dont have to like what youre about.Is it soo bad that someone believes in god or is it just are god that sparks your bloodflow.Im truly sorry if i offended anyone but i sit and watch you guys do this almost everyday,its rediculous and of the mind of a child.And as far as a debate the man didnt even want to start a debate he was making a statement about something he was going to do and he gets ripped apart.GROW UP KIDS,thanks my 2 cents


redcavi 04

Oh and by the way i dont like what you guys say or do to christians on here butt i respect you all as humans no matter what you beleive and if you were in trouble id help you like you were my brothers or sisters thats the difference God bless.


redcavi 04

redcavi 04 wrote:I never say much on here but im tired of anyone that believes in anything good being ripped apart buy a certain few folk .I know this is the war forum,but the man made a statement of his faith and you all knowing gods of yourselves tear him apart.It is a fact that jesus was a real man,faith in him is what keeps us beleiving in him and what hes done and going to do.If you live a godless life without faith in anything but your holy self then thats what you choose and leave it at that.You guys gang up on everyone like a bunch of COWARDS,yes i said cowards.You guys should find something to do with your time besides jump christians.Theyre are alot of contradictive people who call theirselves christians and stand for nothing christian.A true christian has love and respect for everyone GAY or not,we have too or we couldnt call ourselves christian.We have to love equally but we dont have to like what youre about.Is it soo bad that someone believes in god or is it just are god that sparks your bloodflow.Im truly sorry if i offended anyone but i sit and watch you guys do this almost everyday,its rediculous and of the mind of a child.And as far as a debate the man didnt even want to start a debate he was making a statement about something he was going to do and he gets ripped apart.GROW UP KIDS,thanks my 2 cents

do keep in mind that

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War Forum
WARNING: You may and probably will be offended by what people have to say here! This is an opinion/debate forum, but please note, all the rules still apply here.

if you are bold enough to post your views, etc here, then you have to MAN UP on anything that will be posted back.

he didnt have to want to start a debate, but if he posts his views on a world wide forum, then hes gonna have to deal with anyone who has an opinion upon his views.


if you dont want feedback, then keep it to yourself.

i might have been gone for 6 months or so, but i still read the forums, alot of his posts are quick to point a finger and say sinner. the people he addresses during that never asked for his views on it, yet he feels bold enough to give em. and yes christians are quick to do this.

be the first person to go off on how this is a sin, that is a sin, you are going to hell, etc etc etc...

and if this was a christian forum, everyone would gang up on the odd man out. i have a few forum links saved on how christians react if need be.


but the point is, you post your views here, people are gonna respond. if you are set in your views and your faith is strong, then anothers opinion shouldnt bother you, unless their view makes you question your own, in which that case, your faith isnt as strong as you make it out to be.


Inari Fennec's last two paragraphs pretty much sum up my views on this.

I underatnd that man its just all the time and since its the war forum i should feel free to post what i feel right!




redcavi 04

I guess your gonna start a rip session on me now hah!And im very secure in my beleifs,and their opinions didnt bother me its turning a statement into a debate against his beleifs that bothered me.Thats oh so common with this few.Im done now feel free to rip.


redcavi 04

nothing personal, but why would i rip on you for anything? its almost seeming with your last post you are begging for someone to "rip" you or whatever thats supposed to mean.

as for "turning a statement into a debate against his beliefs" thats what an opinion does. he offers his statement, others offer their opinions.


if i say PBJ sammiches are good. and you hate em, and you say, nah i think those suck. theres difference of opinion. what usually follows in any convo are the pros and cons from each person.

thats a debate.

two differing opinions supported by facts are the basis of any debate. i should know, i teach this to kids daily in baltimore city schools.


ad yea feel free to post what you want... it is the war forum.... however i have yet to see anything associated with war being peaceful in any degree

Event you are right and you seem very inteligent,im kind of new to the whole internet thing,ive been on here alot but mostly reading and learning.Now im not perfect and i am very confronting by nature but mean to start no stupid crap.Thanks for your outlook and ill probably stay away from the war forum cause illl admit to getting a bit puffy here and there but i almost keep my opinion to myself but felt the need to step in on this one.This was the first ive ever jumped in on and itll be the last.Event im in the glen burnie area,i see your from baltimore if you ever gather let me know id like to meet some of you folk,ive talked to a few others but with bad family crap going on and work didnt really have time to hang but would now.Thanks


redcavi 04

Hey gam, it was Dual life that mentioned or ripped me first, was it not, thankyou! why don't you mention something to him. Oh wait you have to correct the Christian, wait this a war forum, wait why is gam never in agreement, wait because gam is more like that guy. Don't tell me how to live like a Christian, your not Christian. BTW DAMN it muffins the pharisees said the same things, but did they turn their cheek, uh I don't think so.


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It amazes me how people continue to try to stereotype all Christians , and usually they have none or very little working knowledge about Chrsit and what Christians believe. Even in the bible, Jesus realizes that we are still human and we are no perfect. Those who do the best they can to make Christians look bad in that aspect show their lack of knolegde like you just did. As far as the love thy neighbor goes and homosexuality, true it is an abomination, but that doesn't mean we don't love them. We choose not to agree with their lifestyle like every other NON BELIEVER. Bottom line is that if that homosexual ever need food, clothing, shelter, or even the sacrifice of a life....there is no greater love and it has been proven through the test of time.

One thing that J Body guy has forgotten is that we are to be ministers, we are not judges. You cannot force and should not force your belief system on people man. I have never been perfect and never will be. the best that I can do is try to more Christ like as the days go by. Some days the flesh will overtake the spirit, but the foundation has been laid. I know when I'm wrong and I know what I need to do to correct it. You're coming in here as if you've never been a backslider and that's where these guys get defensive and have a lot to say about you, not to mention the falacies you spew and try to make people think its God's word when its not.
I personally have not enjoyed knowing you're still here doing nothi but trolling the website with really nothign legitimate to say. You start threads knowing the outcome. I've noticed at least from responses that there are more non believers than ther are believers. The only thing you can do is offer yourself if they choose to be inquisitive, or have a want to form a relationship with God. Beyond that, you're really just wasting time, and it has been said that God deals with his people the best, so you just keep living and watch God work the miracles that he has. I've had non believers call me a fool etc.. because of what I believe, and a year later they were seekign God. I never started threads with the intent on causing confusion like you do, I did it to do away with the fallacies about Christianity that I knew existed...such as the bible contradicts itself etc...
Make yourself useful, and be a guiding hand instead of a forceful one.


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"He who knoweth things as they are and not as they are said or seem to be, he truly is wise, and is taught of God more than of men."

jbody4jc wrote:Hey gam, it was Dual life that mentioned or ripped me first, was it not, thankyou! why don't you mention something to him. Oh wait you have to correct the Christian, wait this a war forum, wait why is gam never in agreement, wait because gam is more like that guy. Don't tell me how to live like a Christian, your not Christian. BTW DAMN it muffins the pharisees said the same things, but did they turn their cheek, uh I don't think so.

thats exactly what i spoke of in my first post, YOU resorting to BS childlike measures.

my name is posted above, if you cant requote it or spell it right open your eyes. if you wanna try and change it around to make some sort of BS point. grow up or more so MAN UP. if you dont know what that means it involves gaining testicular fortitude.

pharisees may have, but they also were attacked by the syrians on the sabbath and refused to defend themselves in upholdin the teachings of the religious law.


however, this isnt a time to try and change the point of focus. hell with your name being jbody4JC as in jesus christ, you can still shoot to live like him with some dignity, instead of just letting something slide cause another group did it.


and really dude.

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Dual life that mentioned or ripped me first, was it not, thankyou!

3 lessons wrought from years of catholic private school about this "well mommy he did it first" stuff you are now posting.

- just cause timmy jumps off a bridge do you have to follow? or do you think for yourself and be your own person.

-point a finger, 3 point back at yourself.

-"he without sin cast the first stone" scripture.

just some things to think about before being offended at something over nothing, unless there is an internal problem with your beliefs. not saying there is, but you never know.

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It amazes me how people continue to try to stereotype all Christians

i think you can remove christians and insert every other word you can think about relating to humans. thats one thing in life that DOES suck.

hell people stereotype me simply cause my skin isnt pale. he doesnt appear to look like the quaker oats guy.....so he must be black. and thats from people on this site alone.

then you have the christians who run around saying, if you dont believe in jesus you are going to hell. way to stereotype the rest of society who arent christian and might not even believe in religion or another religion. what amazes me, is the same people who are so vain to think theirs is the only religion, but then can acknowledge so much diversity elsewhere have the nerve to judge everyone else who doesnt follow the beat of THEIR drum. this is to no one in partic, but a general statement. many groups do this.

its like this. most people here in the USA arent subject to IRAQI, TURKISH, CHINESE, N KOREAN LAWS....

reason, we dont live there, we live differently here, we have freedom of religion, expression and more on.

but the christians that do bring about the stereotypes and the bad name, are the ones that think if people dont live like their personal interpretation of their holy book is, then they are wrong.

however just like we arent subject to the rules and guidelines of OTHER countries, different religions that arent christianity, ARE NOT SUBJECT TO CHRISTIAN LAW EITHER. so when you have one who judges others, and yes, there are many.... and i dont even have to go as far as jehovas witnesses, and the many branches of christianity, who give christians the bad stereotypes they DO have these days. and its not JUST christians people. HOW MANY POSTS ON HERE ATTACKED ISLAM AFTER 9/11....

how many people stereotyped islamic followers, just because a select few decided to do terrorism and say "in the name of islam"....

AFTER THAT EVENT, and even still today, half the people who curse islam dont even know what it stands for. and the majority of those people happen to be american. i havent read through the post, but i know 1 or 2 will prob be guilty of that who posted in THIS post.

the whole stereotyping thing is done by every single group, cant really escape it. someone will always have a bad rep from other members of similar recognition.


redcavi, thanx man. it can get rough in here, overtime, i think most develop a tough skin. one thing to remember though that DOES help. everyone will have their opinion, but it might not agree with yours, but remember if you feel YOU are right about it, and can give legit reasons, post on it. also check the regionals forum for alexander andrade, theres a GTG there you might wanna attend i'll keep you up on other local stuff.

jbody4jc wrote:Hey gam, it was Dual life that mentioned or ripped me first, was it not, thankyou! why don't you mention something to him. Oh wait you have to correct the Christian, wait this a war forum, wait why is gam never in agreement, wait because gam is more like that guy. Don't tell me how to live like a Christian, your not Christian. BTW DAMN it muffins the pharisees said the same things, but did they turn their cheek, uh I don't think so.

Calm down...

You're lit up a thread more than once, so you're far from being the perfect one... and let's drop that stone, now shall we?

First, duaLife doesn't profess to be humble, a good Christian out of one corner of his mouth and drag down and berrate others out of the other side. You do, delude yourself as much as you like, you're imperfect, and you HAVE NO RIGHT (God given or otherwise) to judge.

If duaLife HAD said that he was a pious and humble guy and ripped you, then yeah, guess what, I'd either let him go on like a ninny (HINT BLINKING HINT) or I'd set him straight. You're no different than anyone else... and before your knickers get in a twist, if I screw up, first, I don't sit in judgment and make people think they're lesser than I am (point), I don't deny that I screwed up (set), and I apologise (and match).

You call yourself a Christian, and yet you continually show that you have no regard for humility, patience or quiet conviction. If you think I'm pissing up your rope because you're Christian, you're dead wrong because I can talk civilly about religion with Jive, Hahahaha and others without a problem.

Are you seeing a pattern?



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I think you've sussed about 4 years worth of posts in one fell swoop... damn you...

Good to have you back


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Jive wrote:The Bible can be compared to any history book in our written history in the fact that we have to trust the writters who wrote the stories about the events that they were writing about. We weren't there in veitnam, we weren't there in War World two, we have to assume that what is written about those events is what really went down. Of course there are some discrepences from the history books that we read to what really happened, but that's not the point. The point is we believe what's in these history books to be true, trusting the authors, the many times that these stories have been revised, we still trust them. The Bible has gone through the same tests of time, but we have such a big problem with it......

You could also say this about EVERY RELIGIOUS WRITING, as long as it's yours, it's right.

In terms of religion, I'd like to consider myself something, but don't know what
In my belief, there is something more, maybe a diety, as I often find myself wandering, where did everything start. If you're an evolutionist, it started with the 'big bang,' so where did the fuel for this big bang come from? If you're a creationist, you'll often side with the opinion that God 'just was.' In truth, I don't think the human mind was designed to be able to comprehend the immense complications of the beginning.

I don't believe in writings, because believing in, let's say for popular association, the Bible, is as logical as believe that Harry Potter exist(s/ed) and that he (i/wa)s a wizard....

If someone can give me an argument compelling enough to convince me in one true diety, maybe I'll believe.

I can't wait to see what the Christians do when the 'Second Coming' doesn't happen. And just for the record, something like that would be the proof I need.

I'd like to reference this site, not saying you should stop believing, but you should read some of the things, they're really interesting.
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/atheism_index.htm


Especially this (Excerpt from Scared of death, who me?)
Being Dead

I know that on my death, the atoms that have been my body and brain, and created my mind, will return to the universe.

They'll stay around on Earth for millions of years, inhabiting the bodies of countless people and other organisms, but eventually, aeons from now, they will return to the great engines of creation that formed them. The stars.

When the earth is a sterile, charred rock,
my body will be part of stars, planets, comets' tails
and brightly shining nebulae.

Some of me will briefly fuel a distant sun and be burnt into energy,
and the photons that were once me will skim the edges of the universe,
spiral into black holes,
and maybe illuminate the face of a child looking at the night sky for the very first time.

This is immortality.

This is life and this is death.

This is me.


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hell people stereotype me simply cause my skin isnt pale

Let me say for the record that i have never stereotyped anyone because their skin wasn't pale.

Stereotyped because their skin was tanned, yes, i'm guilty--and call me a bigot, but anyone who engages in vanity to the point of self-destruction deserves ridicule. For some it's a small distinction, but a very important one. A black/asian/latino heliophobe is a heliophobe, and thus, bretheren--despite the disparity between my natural skintone and their's.

But no matter what color you are, if you religiously cook yourself to give you the illusion that you look better, well, you deserve to be laughed at


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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.

It's funny, everyone's so easily offended.

I don't need to make any further comment on that...

love? peace?

what about the Crusades? brush up on your history.


too many wars over too many years and too many lives have been lost fighting "holy wars"

and I think it was said best here...

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We have to love equally but we dont have to like what youre about

plenty of reason to go out and stir things up. right?

you can call me uneducated or moronic or whatever if that makes you bigger or better people. I am free to have my own ideas, and I call em like I see em. if I'm wrong, my mistake. That's the whole point right? admitting that you were mistaken?

hopefully you don't think I'm some drug abusing pot smoking law breaking kind of person.

I actually think I'm a pretty decent human being, I am what I am, I do what I can, and help anyone who needs it.

if that sends me to hell... so be it.

I was going to add that to my post
If there is a heaven, you should get to go there for being a good person, not for having undying faith in something. And vice versa


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jbody4jc wrote:I am not gonna sit here and get run over by some org flamer like dual who never has any constructive criticism. So because Im the Christian, he can flame when he wants, or shouldn't have to hold his tongue, and yet I got to be humble because he can't control himself. I am humble, but I will also stand up for myself. I wish he would do the same, oh wait , he's not christian, he has the right to run rough shot. You guys kill me!!!

Yeah, you are going to sit there and you're going to take whatever I say because I'm the "flamer". Look, you can take it any which way you want, but I keep any and all flames directed at people who I find to be incompetent or a general nuisance, in which you fall under both categories. I guarantee you that whole-hearted belief in Jesus Christ doesn't keep someone from being a moron (case in point).

To go out and just flame anybody and everybody takes a lot of balls and you don't make many friends doing it. You post in the War Forum all the time, I come by to check it out, and of course you're still breathing out of your mouth and dragging your knuckles when you walk, all your posts are typo-filled ramblings, and you are preaching and contradicting yourself at every chance you get. GAM hit the nail on the head, you blow white light out of your ass at one end and slam people for holding other opinions. Because I called you stupid and a moron doesn't mean I'm a flamer; it means I'm right.

Oh, and I can tell you, I've met a ton of Christians and I am morally superior, by a long shot. Some I know will go to church Sundays and do a line of coke Sunday night. Just because I'm not Christian doesn't give me the right to trash you because you are. You have a problem of arrogance, you preach to people who don't want to hear it and you tell people they are wrong in their beliefs. If you're not telling them they're wrong, you'll just up the preaching and say "Well you can believe what you want but god is the way etc. etc.", which is just horse@!#$. A sensible post from you is an oxymoron.

If you were Buddhist or Muslim or Jewish and pulled the crap you do now, I would still speak my piece on it and it would be no different if you didn't believe in Jesus Christ. Be a Christian, I don't care, but quit using it as your trump card. It doesn't work with me and plenty of people on here are fed up with it.

jbody4jc wrote:Hey gam, it was Dual life that mentioned or ripped me first, was it not, thankyou! why don't you mention something to him. Oh wait you have to correct the Christian, wait this a war forum, wait why is gam never in agreement, wait because gam is more like that guy. Don't tell me how to live like a Christian, your not Christian. BTW DAMN it muffins the pharisees said the same things, but did they turn their cheek, uh I don't think so.

You are blowing this out of proportion. Did I ever tell you how to live your life? I never ripped you, and if you're so much of a sissy that you consider someone in an internet car forum calling you "stupid" being a "rip", then you have confidence and ego issues. Also, I'm very pleased GAM is more like me and not you. I would also dislike him, just as I dislike you. Christian is a very general word, there are some self-righteous pompous @!#$s like yourself, then there are the one before that I mentioned who govern themselves whatever way they wish then acclaim themselves as Christians at the end of the day (when it counts, I suppose). GAM is never in agreement because your points are half-assed and come flying out of left field.

redcavi 04 wrote:Oh and by the way i dont like what you guys say or do to christians on here butt i respect you all as humans no matter what you beleive and if you were in trouble id help you like you were my brothers or sisters thats the difference God bless.

*sigh*

Please, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION. I do not rip Christians. I try not to rip anybody but if that's the way you see it, then grow some balls and be a man about it. Now, Christians with stupid posts, no point, who preach and say things just to get arguments started (I realize this is the war forum, and if you're intelligent you'll know what I mean) are the ones I dislike. jbody4jc falls into this very specific category. You say you haven't been around here a long time. Well, consider yourself fortunate. jbody4jc has been polluting the war forum with his high-handed crap ever since it started.

Inari:

Usually a thread can go smoothly, but then again, this is a forum about opinion, things can go sideways fast, but as long as it stays civil, everyone usually goes away from it thiking they're still right, but at least they've got a counterpoint, and they're THINKING.

Sometimes you get trolls, just a fact of life. Offending the other person and exasperating them to the point of just storming away is childish, but most of us know that

RedCavi:

If you're posting here, you've had to have read the header in the forum. The only advice I can give you:
- Don't post when you're pissed off. You'll say something you can't take back. Walk away, mull the idea over, post when your head is clear and your mind is made up.
- Check your facts, and back them up.. because if you don't, someone else WILL.
- Admit when you're wrong, and move on.

Other than that, sit back and read, learn, enjoy. Once in a while someone says something worth reading

Welcome to the forum!



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duaLife:

Have my babies?

J/K

A bit of advice you can take or leave, if I were in your kilt, I'd just leave the post alone, because someone else with a Kilt might break out the hose.

Really, I'd leave it alone because JB4JC tends to do enough on his own without anyone's help.



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then you have the christians who run around saying, if you dont believe in jesus you are going to hell. way to stereotype the rest of society who arent christian and might not even believe in religion or another religion. what amazes me, is the same people who are so vain to think theirs is the only religion, but then can acknowledge so much diversity elsewhere have the nerve to judge everyone else who doesnt follow the beat of THEIR drum. this is to no one in partic, but a general statement. many groups do this.

I claim to be a devout Christ follower. When have you ever read a post where I told someone that they are going to hell if they don't believe what I do? I have charged up those who claim to be Christian but judge others the way that you say ALL Chritstians do. Fact of the matter is, those who really know Jesus for themselves, also know that we are not judges and judging someone means telling them that they are going to hell if they don't follow what we believe. That's for God to do, and the bible says that a man will be judged by his works also.

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you can call me uneducated or moronic or whatever if that makes you bigger or better people. I am free to have my own ideas, and I call em like I see em. if I'm wrong, my mistake. That's the whole point right? admitting that you were mistaken?

Never called you moronic, but you are ignorant of what the bible teaches and says about a number of things in your post. You call it like you see it without facts to back up what you're saying about a belief system you know nothgin about except that which you see in the media, or that which you see on this board being said by so called Christians who can't even pull their own heads out of their hind parts, and take a lesson or two. I've learned a lot just sitting back and reading what hahahahah has to say along with others. Then I go to the bible myself and get the confrimation before I post on it. So before you start blasting away at what Christians believe, why don't you do some research of your own, and brush on a little history yourself before you make comparisons.


"Speak the truth, and leave immediately after"
"The urge to save Humanity is almost ALWAYS a false front for the urge to rule"
"He who knoweth things as they are and not as they are said or seem to be, he truly is wise, and is taught of God more than of men."

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then you have the christians who run around saying, if you dont believe in jesus you are going to hell. way to stereotype the rest of society who arent christian and might not even believe in religion or another religion. what amazes me, is the same people who are so vain to think theirs is the only religion, but then can acknowledge so much diversity elsewhere have the nerve to judge everyone else who doesnt follow the beat of THEIR drum. this is to no one in partic, but a general statement. many groups do this.

I claim to be a devout Christ follower. When have you ever read a post where I told someone that they are going to hell if they don't believe what I do? I have charged up those who claim to be Christian but judge others the way that you say ALL Chritstians do. Fact of the matter is, those who really know Jesus for themselves, also know that we are not judges and judging someone means telling them that they are going to hell if they don't follow what we believe. That's for God to do, and the bible says that a man will be judged by his works also.

ok, you quoted me...

so where in bold did i say ALL CHRISTIANS

also where did i post "Chamillionaire" in specific???

the christians does NOT mean all christians, it refers to certain groups.

not to mention at the end of the quote, what does it state?

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is to no one in partic, but a general statement. many groups do this

keep in mind, you quoted me...... then replied as if i said something totally different. cause i am still waiting for you to show me in what YOU JUST QUOTED ME ON, i said ALL CHRISTIANS...

My apoligies, I misunderstood what you were trying to say. There is a difference in the group you speak about and the ones that adhere to the bible! I think Jbody fits perfectly in the "other Christian" catagory as opposed to what I've seen from so many others on here that I can actually be tutored by! Jbody reminds me of David Koresh...


"Speak the truth, and leave immediately after"
"The urge to save Humanity is almost ALWAYS a false front for the urge to rule"
"He who knoweth things as they are and not as they are said or seem to be, he truly is wise, and is taught of God more than of men."

Chamillionaire wrote:My apoligies, I misunderstood what you were trying to say. There is a difference in the group you speak about and the ones that adhere to the bible! I think Jbody fits perfectly in the "other Christian" catagory as opposed to what I've seen from so many others on here that I can actually be tutored by! Jbody reminds me of David Koresh...

all cool

i def know that. the people who ran my highschool, all the fathers, sisters, etc didnt force their beliefs on others. i am not catholic, baptist, etc...

i simply just respect all religions, never been a member of one cause there are so many. i just take teaching from this one, that one, this one, little here little there, and live my life from a conglomerate of teachings. from islam, to buhhdism, to christianity, to native america polytheism, and also samoan beliefs.

i;ve had the advantage to be around more religions than most, and def learn about some religions that honestly dont even know caucasian or christianity exists the are so far down in south america.

each group has their beliefs, so when earth or life does end, everyone will go to their respective places is how i see it.

some people will go to heaven
others will go to hell, maybe.
those who dont believe in hell will go where they go
those who believe in reincarnation will come back as another form, maybe in another galaxy
those who go back to the earth to make it fertile for future generations will do so.


there are so many beliefs from many other religions, one religion surely doesnt apply to all.


and since there will be radiacals/david koresh-ish types, etc whereever they think they go, they'll go there.

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote: If you think I'm pissing up your rope because you're Christian, you're dead wrong because I can talk civilly about religion with Jive, Hahahaha and others without a problem.

Thanks. We debate lot's of stuff. Next will be Belinda Stronach that turn-coat, power hungry BS artist. She backpedals faster than Lance Armstrong. But hey, the dollar's up, and oil's down today, so it's not all bad

Now that I'm in "Preview" mode, I can't read the thread and therefore I don't know who asked for it but, if you want the argument for one creator, I can bring it. Just ask nicely cause it's long and difficult.

Just remember that everything, absolutely everything including time had to come from somewhere. There had to be an event I call "Simultaneous Causation". Other people call it that too, I wasn't the first.

I am a true Christian and trust my Lord when he instructed us not to judge, and that he loves us, and that we must be strong in our faith. To me this means that if I am not to judge others; not to pull the weeds from the crop for fear of destroying it (paraphrasing); then there must be others that I might mistake for weeds, but they are not. Or that some of the "others" are just as planned. This is a test of my faith. God is all powerful and can present in any form desired. No Christian could argue about that, so why is it hard to believe that God would present in ways that are culturally relevant? I also think that there is evil, but very little and very very frightening when encountered. Think "The Exorcist".

About Homosexuals... They have a very tough challenge in life. They must resist their homosexual urges according to my beliefs. I also think that maybe they will be forgiven, there challenge is so great that perhaps a greater amount of mercy could be extended. Marriage to me is a religious ceremony. The legal parts are just that, civil matters. Therefore I believe that a civil union is the only thing any "married" couple has in law, and no more or no less should be extended to any sworn monogamous couple. Churches should not be compelled to perform "Marriage" rights in any way, as they obey religious laws that may (very very likely) forbid such practices.

About pushing my beliefs... I don't. I'll speak when compelled and do my best to express those things that to me are truths in life. I became "aware" of God's presence after a long trip away from God. It came fast and furious and was truly a remarkable experience. That's what it took for me. For others it will be different and it's not for me to condemn them with lectures about how they should be Christian. Seriously, when they suddenly believe, they'll know it. Maybe when they die, I don't know, I trust that God loves all his children and will give them what they need, just as he did for me.

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